Oh and I almost forgot to mention this in my rant...

"K-Roll-PorscheTamer" (k-roll390)
09/24/2010 at 15:09 • Filed to: Pure Hatred

I HATE AND WILL FOREVER DESPISE THE MUSTANG ECOBUST!! (-_-)

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I have no hope for it and I honestly don’t want it to succeed. If it does, then whatever, but know this Ford; you’re trying to kill off one of the only V6s I’ve ever experienced and loved, and you will not be forgiven for this. Nothing anyone says or does can persuade me to give that little POS motor a chance in a Mustang, I don’t care, no one will get me to drive one or do anything with one; and even if I’m forced to drive one, it won’t change a damn thing.

Call me crazy, but I’ll take a regular V6 over any Ecobust Stang every time.

Okay, on with your day now.

DISCUSSION (68)

Sweet Trav > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/24/2014 at 14:14

I'm going to have to go and disagree with you here. I love this engine, i love the concept of it and i want one.

03mach1 - Now has a Fiesta ST > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/24/2014 at 14:21

I love this engine. It's a modern SVO, which I also love. But I also hate it because it makes 5 more HP then my Mach. In an engine half the size.

Still, I'm keeping my V8! Nothing beats that sound!

For Sweden > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/24/2014 at 14:21

Mustang needs more Barra I6

GhostZ > For Sweden
09/24/2014 at 14:23

I'd give a left nut for ford to produce a DOHC twin turbo 4.0l I6 mustang.

I mean, not my left nut, but someone's. I would definitely give someone's.

IDDaVo - Now has a Toy Yoda > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/24/2014 at 14:24

Kinja'd!!!

EL_ULY > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/24/2014 at 14:24

i only dislike the fact that they didn't call it an SVO. Such a jalop car!

GhostZ > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/24/2014 at 14:25

If the Ecoboost mustang weighed considerably less, I would like it a lot more, but for the price I'd probably stick with the V6 too. They're easier to get more power out of anyway.

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > Sweet Trav
09/24/2014 at 14:25

sorry i think you've got it all wrong...the mustang was never meant to be a fire breathing sports car...it was meant to be a fun fuel efficient sporty car and i like that it is heading that direction again. Though i think the car needs to shrink a little bit too

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/24/2014 at 14:28

Your hate, and those who share it, is one of the major factors that made me cheer when I first heard that they'd be putting a turbo 4cyl in a Mustang. Oh the sacrelig is soooo sweet! I love it!

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > GhostZ
09/24/2014 at 14:29

And it's cheaper too.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > 03mach1 - Now has a Fiesta ST
09/24/2014 at 14:29

I hope the Ecobust burns in hell. I don't care how people will compare it to the SVO(which it's not). I hope it fails.

GhostZ > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/24/2014 at 14:30

V6 + Supercharger > Ecoboost

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > EL_ULY
09/24/2014 at 14:30

It doesn't deserve to be called the SVO.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > IDDaVo - Now has a Toy Yoda
09/24/2014 at 14:31

Your point?

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > GhostZ
09/24/2014 at 14:32

THIS, can I borrow one?

03mach1 - Now has a Fiesta ST > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/24/2014 at 14:33

Why are you beating up a better version of the engine in your ST?!

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow
09/24/2014 at 14:35

Whatever.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > GhostZ
09/24/2014 at 14:35

All day, every day.

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/24/2014 at 14:38

Just like I love to send the Mustang guys I work with pictures of Mustangs with 2JZ and RB swaps. I just wish someone would throw an SR20 or F20C in a Mustang for ultimate troll points. haha

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > 03mach1 - Now has a Fiesta ST
09/24/2014 at 14:39

Because I hate ford for trying to and eventually killing off the V6!! I don't care how good it is. No fucking 4-banger should replace the V6; but they did it, so fuck you Ford.

Sweet Trav > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/24/2014 at 14:41

In what sort of backwards logic doesn't it deserve to be called the SVO?

JR1 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/24/2014 at 14:42

It's just Ford moving with the times. NA is quickly becoming antiquated

Dasupersprint - base trim is enough > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/24/2014 at 14:43

I'm disapointed too that people love so much the idea of the 4 Turbo, and hate the V6, without having driven any of them. I drive the 3.7 everyday and I love it. Although I'm open-minded to new options, I'm sad everyone hate the V6 by default. It weights the same, and has about the same fuel economy as the 4.

BUT, the V6 is still available with the manual and 3.55 gear ratios. WHY do people call it the rental special?

03mach1 - Now has a Fiesta ST > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/24/2014 at 14:43

But the torque from the 4 cylinder.... That rivals my engine!

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Sweet Trav
09/24/2014 at 14:44

First off, SVO stands for Special Vehicle Operations; there is no more Special Vehicle Operations team, there is only ST. Mustang ST or something similar would be more acceptable. Second, I hate it.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > 03mach1 - Now has a Fiesta ST
09/24/2014 at 14:47

Frankly I still don't give a damn. Nothing will convince me; I don't care how much torque it has. I would much rather have your car over it every damn day.

At the end of the day, I would not be satisfied with a Mustang that sounds like my ST, weighs almost as much, if not more, and isn't any better.

Sweet Trav > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/24/2014 at 14:50

Mustang SVO sounds a lot better than Mustang Ecoboost.

I hate the ST branding. Why they killed SVT is beyond me (yes i know SVT doesnt exist, but it was a strong branding on the Cobras which had a fairly legendary rep)

03mach1 - Now has a Fiesta ST > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/24/2014 at 14:51

How about we leave it at this, Ford really should make an inline 6 for the base Mustang. Because that would be awesome. And someone else already mentioned it.

Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs > GhostZ
09/24/2014 at 14:52

The 4 cylinder has a turbo = easier to get more power, the V6 has higher power potential, but also at a higher cost. The 4 cylinder can get significantly more power from nothing but a tune, which I'd estimate at no more than $600. Bigger downpipe will net another nice increase, I estimate this at $400. At this point we've probably added 70 horsepower, maybe more.

Try and do that for $1000 on a V6.

What I'm saying is the statement "they're easier to get more power out of anyway" is a very misleading statement. Yes, if you are going for the most power possible, it'll be easier to get that V6 to 450 than it would the I4, if we are simply talking about adding power, it's FAR FAR easier with the I4... and cheaper.

mcseanerson > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/24/2014 at 14:52

Even if you could gain 60hp for $600?

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > 03mach1 - Now has a Fiesta ST
09/24/2014 at 14:53

They should.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > mcseanerson
09/24/2014 at 14:54

Still don't want one.

djmt1 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/24/2014 at 14:56

Some countries are infested with evil insurance companies who despise anything with more than 2.5l and anything with more than 4 cylinders is a race car so the ecoboost is very appealing.

YSI-what can brown do for you > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/24/2014 at 15:01

So what is your thoughts on this?

Also, the inline 4 will be the lightest engine and it will probably make the mustang handle quite nicely.

YSI-what can brown do for you > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow
09/24/2014 at 15:03

Someone threw a 4G63 into a Foxbody, it is glorious!

YSI-what can brown do for you > mcseanerson
09/24/2014 at 15:04

Exactly! Why hate turbos when they are so cheap to make power with.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/24/2014 at 15:05

Can I ask what the hell forced induction ever did to you?

Being around large displacement motors all my life (there's never been anything smaller than a 3.6L V6 in the garage) and frankly, I'm sick of them. Give me a small turbo 4 Mustang over a V6 one any day of the week. Especially because it does have a performance advantage over the V6.

I for one welcome our forced-induction overlords.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
09/24/2014 at 15:11

It made me realize I want a bigger motor. I've made it imperative that my next car in the future will not be a 4-banger.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > djmt1
09/24/2014 at 15:12

Yes. Europe needs it, I don't.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > YSI-what can brown do for you
09/24/2014 at 15:15

Not working to persuade me. SVO or forced induction fox body is cool.

mcseanerson > YSI-what can brown do for you
09/24/2014 at 15:16

I like turbos but I feel they belong in certain applications.

DoYouEvenShift > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/24/2014 at 15:17

I dont see what your so mad about man. You sound like the V8 guys bashing the V6 guys. Each their own.

thebigbossyboss > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/24/2014 at 15:17

You keep fighting technology kid.

The future has less cylinders. Complexify and add lightness.

I hope the Mustang does great!

T5Killer > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/24/2014 at 15:17

At my 5000+ Ft above sea level home Turbo 4 is going to be way better vs a NA V6.

thebigbossyboss > Sweet Trav
09/24/2014 at 15:18

I do agree the ecoboost is a terrible name. Especially GM has used "Ecotec" for a looonnngggg time. I own an 11 year old "ecotec".

thebigbossyboss > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow
09/24/2014 at 15:18

What if I put my 2.2L ecotec in the mustang?

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > thebigbossyboss
09/24/2014 at 15:19

That might be too sacreligious even for me. lol

thebigbossyboss > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow
09/24/2014 at 15:21

But they both share the word eco. I am being eco friendly...between eco platforms.

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > thebigbossyboss
09/24/2014 at 15:23

Ecoboostec!

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > thebigbossyboss
09/24/2014 at 15:23

Yes, and in 20 years, all cars will be powered by your choice of a three cylinder, a V-twin or a damn lawn mower motor. I'll fight this to the end if I have to. I hope that the Mustang GT does great, I hope that the V6 does the best it can with what time it has left. I hope nothing for the Ecoboost.

GhostZ > Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs
09/24/2014 at 15:24

Correction, the V6 is easier to get significantly more power, as in, 30% or more than stock. $5000 into an Ecoboost mustang goes a much shorter distance than $5000 into a V6, but below that amount the Ecoboost might get higher gains.

But you're right about the rest.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > DoYouEvenShift
09/24/2014 at 15:25

I like the V6, Ford's getting rid of it and optioning it down to that of a rental car. It's not that hard to see why I'm mad.

YSI-what can brown do for you > mcseanerson
09/24/2014 at 15:25

Most road cars are just fine with a turbo as no one actually drives them like a mad man on the street. As for a race car it depends on the rules and application, although I think it leans towards the NA side.

YSI-what can brown do for you > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/24/2014 at 15:29

Hehehe, it is a 4G63, or the engine out of a Evo. Trololololol.

I mean it all matters on what the engine is going to be used for. For drag racing, nearly everyone uses some form of FI to get massive power. For circut racing it all depends, if you can meet the hp demands and durability without going to FI then they usually stay that way. Like this Trans Am Mustang :) 750hp of NA power!

mcseanerson > YSI-what can brown do for you
09/24/2014 at 15:29

Miatas and BRZs get driven pretty hard on the street. Same goes for tiny hatches although I am oddly ok with the ecoboost Fiesta.

YSI-what can brown do for you > mcseanerson
09/24/2014 at 15:33

I drive mine pretty much like a Grandma on the street, even on "back roads" around me. . . it is in quotes because we don't have any good roads. I get most of my need for speed out during autocrossing! Although a turbo doesn't prevent you from going fast, if anything it makes you faster!

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/24/2014 at 15:43

There's only one perk to a bigger motor over a turbo one, and that's the sound.

I can't think of one other advantage except it's more tuneable? Which for a lot of people, they'll never reach the limits of a smaller motor.

thejustache > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/24/2014 at 16:03

Look, my first two cars were old BMWs with NA inline 6s. Later on I had an mk4 gti with the 1.8t, my only turbo car to date. My only experience with a ford V6 was the 3.8 essex in the Windstar my parents unfortunately owned when I first started driving, and let me tell you it was certainly nothing exciting. Never owned anything with more than 6 cylinders, but I've driven a fair share of V8s and a couple of V10s.

Do you know which were the most enjoyable to drive? Any of the engines meant to be more performance oriented, no mater the number of cylinders or if they had forced induction or not. I don't like that the V6 is being phased out, but I'm not about to start running around yelling "THE SKY IS FALLING!!! ITS A CONSPIRACY AGAINST EXCESS CYLINDERS!!" either. Personally I like any engine that is designed and tuned to produce big power, or at least deliver power in a fun and enjoyable manner. For the Mustang, that means the NA V8. The EcoBoost opens up a new niche for the car. The V6, it had no real purpose except to be cheap. Sorry....

Burrito de EJ25 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/25/2014 at 02:40

I wish I could be this emotional in regards to something so trivial. It looks like fun.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
08/17/2016 at 14:45

orlynao?

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
08/17/2016 at 14:46

Mazda K8 is best V6.

Chariotoflove > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
08/17/2016 at 14:50

I don’t care if they want to have an Ecoboost Mustang for those who want it. I’m just disappointed that they seem to be trying to manipulate everyone away from the V6 by making it available with limited options.

Shankems > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
08/17/2016 at 14:52

If you aren’t going to get a great sound out of a motor (V8 and above) then everything else is equal. Trashy sounding V6 or trashy sounding turbo 4 makes no difference.

dogisbadob > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
08/17/2016 at 14:52

The Accord looks good in British Racing Green ;)

Plus, it would kill the V6 Mustang price measurement meme. Nevertheless, the V6 isn’t going anywhere, given that most Mustangs sold are V6 convertibles.

Also, two things worth noting:

First, the V6 isn’t available in Europe, in this first Stang designed with export in mind.

Second, Ford places the V6 at the bottom, and the turbo-4 in the middle, while GM does the opposite with the Camaro, where the turbo-4 is the base engine and the V6 is in the middle.

Caleb "If a rally car can do it, so can my Malibu" M. S. > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
08/17/2016 at 14:53

Still stand by this K-roll?

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To
08/17/2016 at 14:54

Oh how the tables have turned.

RallyWrench > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
08/17/2016 at 15:41

I know this is old, and I am truly happy for you with the new car and its kickass color choice, but it’s a little funny. It’s good when we can be big enough to admit our errors.

Kinja'd!!!

Now go rip some sweet, efficient turbocharged burnouts.

pauljones > Caleb "If a rally car can do it, so can my Malibu" M. S.
08/17/2016 at 16:23

Still going to keep sharing crap and being a wiseass?

You know better.